# Initial layers mis-printing problem **URL:** \ **Category:** LulzBot Mini\ **Created:** [December 24, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671 "2015-12-24T19:16:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![meraki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@meraki](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/meraki)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/1 "2015-12-24T19:16:53Z")
Sorry If this is a super noob issue but I wasn’t able to find a solution in the forums from searching. I’m having an issue where the first 10 or so layers of a print are kind of messed up. They look almost semi melted and not perfect lines. However its not a problem anywhere else in the print other than those first few lines. Does anyone what might be causing this? I dont believe this was an issue when I first started printed but has become more pronounced. Just in case it helps I’m using eSun PLA with extruder temperature at 200 and the bed at 65. ---
**Author:** ![wmgeorge64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5fc32e/32.png) [@wmgeorge64](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/wmgeorge64)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/2 "2015-12-24T22:09:02Z")
Does it go through the bed leveling ok? Sounds as if the nozzle is not close enough or its too close to the bed. A picture sometimes is worth a 1,000 words 😃 ---
**Author:** ![meraki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@meraki](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/meraki)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/3 "2015-12-25T12:46:03Z")
It does seem to be doing the auto level process. Here are a few pictures of the issue. ![IMG_1335.JPG](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/lulzbot/original/2X/6/6b69260c0b8e7a2252c01433fb45d7eb0d8525fc.jpeg) ![IMG_1334.JPG](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/lulzbot/original/2X/a/a6f602cbed98181633aaea9599fed3cb3ddf846e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![piercet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.lulzbot.com/piercet/32/12_2.png) [@piercet](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/piercet)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/4 "2015-12-25T16:50:04Z")
You are either too close to the bed at start and need to change your Z offset amount setting in Cura, or you are overextruding at start slightly due to an incorrect filament diameter set in Cura. Edit: you may also be getting some lifting of the part off the bed, increase the bed temperature by 5 degrees. ---
**Author:** ![hemocyanin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.lulzbot.com/hemocyanin/32/62_2.png) [@hemocyanin](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/hemocyanin)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/5 "2015-12-25T18:08:45Z")
To amplify what piercet said, you find the setting he is talking about in Cura by selecting “machine” from the top level menu, then “machine settings” and adjusting the “Z-Offset” in the popup. Raise is positive, lower is negative. You might want to try raising it 0.1 mm at a time to see if it improves matters. ---
**Author:** ![meraki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@meraki](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/meraki)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/6 "2015-12-25T18:57:28Z")
Thank you guys for the advice. I’m going to try it today and will report back my results. ---
**Author:** ![ttabbal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/db5fbb/32.png) [@ttabbal](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/ttabbal)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/7 "2015-12-29T16:40:58Z")
I’m getting an issue all the sudden that looks a lot like this, but about 3-4mm up. The bottom layers go fine, but I get a few layers that look like those pics in the middle. The height it happens at is consistent, as is the height of the error. I was thinking I might be over extruding, so I’ll try changing that. However, I thought there might be other things to check as well. ---
**Author:** ![Rhoderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3bc359/32.png) [@Rhoderman](https://forum.lulzbot.com/u/Rhoderman)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/initial-layers-mis-printing-problem/2671/8 "2016-01-25T19:40:21Z")
Mine is doing this as well. I just changed over to ABS for the first time this weekend. Been printing PLA as I learned. I may have seen a slight bit of this with PLA, but with ABS, it looks like the 1 to 3mm range on a big part is bad. I’d go as far as to say it might even be shrunk up a little. I printed the big herringbone gear in black ABS, and the side that was next to the plate is obviously smaller. The holes also seem to have a bad finish in them near the plate surface. Above that, the finish is outstanding. I am doing 0.1mm layers, 0.3mm first layer, 100% first width. I have 2.85 as my filament diameter as that is what it measured, and I am doing 100% feed rate. I played around with a 10x15 rectangle, 5mm tall for a few prints to get things happy, but this bigger gear part looks pretty bad. I’ll try to replicate the error on a smaller item, and then play with Z axis offset. Are there any other settings that would have a positive effect? I’m doing 240 hot end over a 110 bed. ESun ABS. Fan at Lulzbot ini settings for ABS profile. Thanks for any help!