HOT BOX 3DP ENCLOSURE SYSTEM (For Taz)

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Re: HOT BOX 3DP ENCLOSURE SYSTEM (For Taz)

Post by JonathanB » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:29 pm

I get it. I put a cage around a bird that wants to be free and I'm charging people to see the caged bird......

what if I told you that after a few months, possibly a year, with all the proceeds I make from this caged bird venture, I will let them both free, and then the iron from the cage will be used by the local people to make nails and horseshoes for their benefit..... :)

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Post by JonathanB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:49 am

**edit, I removed some of the more "direct sales" advertisements I had posted. Sorry about that. I got a little carried away. I won't make any references to anything we're offering for sale in this thread anymore. This thread is about the development of the HOTBOX enclosure as an open source unit. I will be switching over the license on the files to a fully free open source license in due time. Thanks. :)

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Post by KosmoPi » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:56 am

I know this isnt the best forum to ask this question, but it at least is germaine (to use a legal term). How is what this advertisement for a purchasable kit (with free open source designs) not the exact same thing that Lulzbot does when it sells any products? Or is it that lulzbot just has taken a policy to not allow sale of products on their forums (which i can see could be a steep and slippery slope)?

I admittedly dont understand open source licensing terms either.

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Re: HOT BOX 3DP ENCLOSURE SYSTEM (For Taz)

Post by JonathanB » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:27 am

guys, have been talking to Jebba through PM. Everything is cool...

#1. I was wrong to put up direct advertising for sales...I took those down and I apologize for that. I took them down out of my own will, not from request of admin, basically they said they didn't care, Lulzbot and Jebba are cool enough to let it slide and keep this thread going which I respect greatly! most mods would have had my head by now, so I'm greatful for that. I took the direct advertising down, because at the end of the day, it's wrong to try to sell something in an open sourced thread. We will find other ways for that :). This thread is not the place for that and we'll keep the direct advertisement of the KITS WE'RE SELLING, out of it...ok ok...that was the last advertisement! ever..I swear... :D ;) lol.

#2. lulzbot is based on a fully open source free to distribute, re-work and re-sell license....NOW, how lulzbot ever got into the position they're in is an awesome testament to the power of their skills to run a fully open source company YET make a profit at the same time....which, to me, is a very new concept....cutting edge, so I applaud them..I'd love to know the background details of how it all went down though? How would you tell an investor that your company sales model is basically non proprietary and anyone else can use all the work you create to try to earn profit also. LOL. But anway, that's another discussion.

#3. Basically what Jebba and Lulzbot are trying to purvey is that everything should be open source, under a license such as the GPLv3. So basically, I've licensed the files for the HOTBOX under an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike
CC BY-NC-SA license, meaning you can do everything you can with the GPLv3. just not commercial distribution, ie. you can't turn around with my files and use them to earn profit etc....
Lulzbot would like to see that changed to a GPLv3. AND, in addition to that, in a perfect world, they would strive for me to give my kits away for free also..lol..but well, that's not going to happen, since, last I checked, the Taz 5 was 2195US! lol... again, lulzbot never directly said this, it's just the ideal they are striving for.

So, I'm starting to understand the CC license movement, but as far as the whole movement to make hardware free, well, I just don't see that happening for obvious reasons...but it's still interesting to think about.

anyway, hopefully I explained this properly and that clears up a few things. Just want to thank everyone for all the support for this project. I can't wait to see everyone's build and what awesome tweaks and mods you're going to make....

oh and guys, lil tip, be generous with the hot glue on the light strips, the heat sits at the top of the box and basically dries out weak layer of glue on the back of the LED strips...

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Post by nbmoretto » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:45 am

so just to make sure, if we want the kit you are still selling them right?

I completely understand them not wanting the advertisement but in the end its a win win situation. We get parts for cheap and you make a small amount of change for sourcing.

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Post by JonathanB » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:58 am

Hey Nb,

Yep, ofcourse we have about 5 kits left from the original 10 ordered, parts are slowly coming in. Will be another few weeks before we start shipping kits out. We will probably continue to sell them also, but I won't be doing any blatant advertising in this thread. We'll keep it focused on the development side.

Actually from talking to Jeff, they don't seem to care too much about the advertising for the kits. But I took most of the more blatant ads down anyway just out of respect for the forum norms and rules. When everything is good to go, I'll will PM everyone who was interested and we can go from there.

Thanks for the support! Can't wait to see you build! Keep in mind, I posted a link to all the files for this build a few pages back so you can get started on some of the 3D prints, reading the instructions etc. Everything is up to date, any updates will be posted on that link. I will probably change the font to lowercase in the instruction manual eventually and since we're using a better power supply in the kits, I have yet to add one more 3D print file for a bracket to hold that PSU...but it's not a super critical file.

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Post by Brew4You » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:25 pm

Bravo JB I've never seen your sales adds as intrusive--mainly because you first gave lots of info and feed back for everyone here. But now that I see others putting up sales adds for their products, AS THEIR FIRST POSTS ON THE FORUM, I can see how it could quickly get out of hand to where the forum could turn into a cork board for everyone's crap. :cry:

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Post by JonathanB » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:37 pm

No, they weren't that bad but still. Ultimately it's about being fair to the forum and everyone else...it's an open source development forum, not craigslist or ebay so we should try to keep it that way. That doesn't mean we're going to stop selling kits though :D

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Post by sain » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:03 pm

Finally got around to looking at the files. Quick thing could you upload the instructions as a PDF. Pretty easy to do via the print command. But might be best to control it yourself.

Easier to view the instructions on a mobile device if its in pdf.

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Post by JonathanB » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:27 am

Done. They're uploaded in docx and pdf now. I added the .stl file for the new style PSU also, the instructions have been updated accordingly.

So for guys who ordered our kits, we have about half the parts in already, they're looking really good and I think you will be happy with them. It's going to save you a lot of time and hassle. Will keep posted when everything get's in.

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